Led by State Sen. Greg Ball, Putnam officials are announcing that they will withhold records documenting the names and addresses of residents who possess pistol permits.
What some officials consider "standing up" for Putnam residents is a move that violates the law—and could lead to a court battle—according to Robert Freeman, executive director for the state Committee on Open Government.
The Journal News, a Gannett newspaper, had filed a request for the information.
The shooting that left 26 dead at Sandy Hook Elementary School had reignited the national discussion on gun control and gun laws. The Journal News ignited a separate firestorm Dec. 22 when it published, as it had in 2006, a database report of gun permit holders in Westchester and Rockland counties.
Since then, county leaders have received "hundreds of calls from Putnam residents" urging them "not to release these records," County Clerk Dennis Sant is quoted as saying in a statement given to Patch by Ball's office.
Ball is scheduled to hold a press conference Thursday with County Executive MaryEllen Odell and Sant "to announce that Putnam County will not be releasing the records of Putnam pistol permits to the Journal News."
This story, by John W. Barry of the Poughkeepsie Journal, appearing on LoHud.com, states that Putnam officials said in December they were compiling the data.
Neither Odell nor Sant were available for comment the morning of Jan. 2.
Freeman has heard from big-name news agencies such as the Today Show inquiring about this situation, and whether the law leaves any room for interpretation. He said he had not been in touch with any Putnam officials.
"My hope is, of course, that someone will actually look at the law instead of being a renegade unit of government," Freeman said, adding that names and addresses of gun permit holders have been considered public record since at least 1965.
According to Ball, the map The Journal News posted was unethical—and "every person with common sense should be offended."
“I’m proud to stand with Putnam County and proud that Putnam won’t be releasing its pistol permit records," he said in a statement. "The asinine editors at The Journal News have gone out of their way to place a virtual scarlet letter on law abiding firearm owners throughout the region and I thank God that Putnam County has a clerk with the guts to stand up and draw the line here in Putnam County. This is clearly a violation of privacy, and needs to be corrected immediately."
Ball blogged about the issue on Patch Dec. 26.
Freeman said the law is just like any other, one that may be unpopular, like speed limits, but should be followed. To him, that's the "essence of civilized society"—following laws, "whether you like them or not."
"If we don’t like a particular law, what do we do? We make our case to our elected representativess and might engage in efforts to change the law," he said. "It seems to me that, unless that happens, we have to comply."
Yet here, he said, "You have a state senator saying 'I don't care what the law says.' Is that the best of role models?"
Once a request for records under the Freedom of Information Law has been denied, the applicant may appeal the decision with the head of the agency. If that request is also shot down, the matter could go to court.
It's not uncommon for government agencies to go against the law and deny such requests, Freeman told Patch. In fact, it "happens every day." But more often, the opposite happens.
"Government agencies disclose every day over and over and over again," he said."But there are occasions when, at least in my view, government agencies may fail to comply with the law."
In the statement released by Ball's office, Sant said he's protecting "the law-abiding gun owners here in Putnam County."
“There is the rule of law, and there is right and wrong and The Journal News is clearly wrong," he said. "I could not live with myself if one Putnam pistol permit holder was put in harm’s way, for the sole purpose of selling newspapers."
The shooting that left 26 dead at Sandy Hook Elementary School reignited the national discussion on gun control and gun laws. The Journal News ignited a separate firestorm when it published, as it had in 2006, a database report of gun permit holders in Westchester and Rockland counties.
Your other items– I attend a Presbyterian church, but am not a member; last night for dinner we did take away in Rye; tonight we’ll eat in – are not tied to a government program and so should be made public only if I wish to release them. Including them in your list is a simplistic attempt at extending the emotional appeal of your argument. If you think people aren’t looking into your private data, you’re naïve. Of course, people look into your life when they have a reason to; you pissed off a neighbor; you flashed a lot of cash; you were careless in the websites you visited; you’re publicly visible because of your comments on websites or because of public office you hold; etc. Putnam County should be forced to release the data requested. By withholding it, they are breaking the law. And if they’re allowed to do so for this instance, the next time you want to check on spending of a particular politician, you may also get an illegal ‘Nope’.
Boycott the Journal News and its advertisers.
Why won't The Jounal News post about the strictest gun laws which are ineffect in Washington D.C. and Chicago? These two cities have the higest gun crimes in our nation. A ban of firearms is not the soulution...at least admit to that. Gun bans DO NOT WORK!!! Boycott The Journal News!!!! P.S. And a big thanks to Odell and Sant as well!
"Simplistic" ? You left out your Whiz Bang Consulting LLC, Rye, NY, your tenure on the Rye Board of Education, your MyRye.Com etc. etc. etc. See we don't need to know that but it's on the "net"; my point is that there are some things we DO NOT need to know. My "naivete" has taken me to places in the world that you've ONLY read about. But then again you don't need to know that......do you? You're safe in the mythical kingdom of Rye some of us don't have it so good.
Putnam County’s violation of law must be fought. If their releasing of information about the ownership of gun permits offends you, then do something about the laws. Attacking the Journal News for doing their jobs is a waste of your (and Mr. Ball’s) time. Fix the problem. Focus on the actual collection of data necessitated by the breadth of governmental “services”.
Unlike you, I'm not a community butterfly and I don't need to have my name in lights. Lets' just say I don't long for a spotlight and believe in privacy. That happens when you have a real job and have to work for a living. I do enjoy your comments.
So let me get this straight. Greg Ball as a NY Senator has taken an oath to uphold the laws of NY. Under NY Freedom of Information Law these records must be made available to anyone who requests them. Greg Ball is condoning Putnam County officials breaking the law? He should be thrown out of office on his ear. What ever happened to all that right wing talk about "We are a country of laws not men," What a bunch of hypocrites!
Hypocrites you say!!! You don't have to look any further then those running this country. Lies, after lies, after lies...And these zombies still vote them into power! Are you familar with " Fast and Furious. " Our elected officials chose to do nothing about prosecuting their own. Why you ask? Because of their own agendas...they want to abolish the secound amendment. Do your homework!!
Given these facts is it any wonder that some people question the culture of fear, ignorance and hate that drives gun ownership to incredible levels in the USA?
http://www.lausdeo10580.com/lausdeo10580/2012/08/ny-state-official-confirms-city-of-rye-attorney-kristen-wilson-acting-in-violation-of-law.html
Full truth - I did not say that Ball is breaking the law, I said he was encouraging others to. Not a good trait for an elected official. Billy - Clueless
Your the typical left wing liberal, talking out of both sides of your mouth. I asked you if you were familiar with " Fast and Furious " and not the movie!! And what is our highest office in our nation doing? Hypocrisy, Hypocrisy, Hypocrisy!!!
I am familiar with Fast and Furious, but this is a discussion about a State Senator condoning County officials breaking the law. Please try and stay on topic, as far as I know this has nothing to do with Fand F. If you want to try and explain a connection feel free.
Some may be targeted because they don't own guns. Some will be targeted "for their guns", those are the hands we don't want on our weapons. A professional "crew" that wants guns now have their work cut out for them.
If they were intellectually honest, they'd put up signs declaring their property a gun-free zone and forbid any guns on their property -- just like the public schools. Or the J-N could construct "safe rooms" for their employees to cower in until the armed local police arrive. But no, the J-N wants to sit safely in an armed camp while they villify law-abiding gun owners. So far, no one from the Journal News has had the courage to return calls from News 12 Westchester (and other news media) about the hypocrisy of their actions.